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Oh my god. I know there's been a bit of a hoopla lately about gen vs. slash in our fandom, but I'm honestly curious as to how many people on my flist believe as this person does. Gen-ers: come out, come out!

Do you believe wincest and/or slash should be relegated to a 'special' area on the web?

If you don't read slash - or even if you don't read gen - are you still willing to act tolerantly towards those who do?

Do you think that writing fanfic about something denotes what you truly wish to do in real life?

At what point is too much too much regarding what you can get away with in fiction?

All discussions welcome, anonymous on.

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If you don't read slash - or even if you don't read gen - are you still willing to act tolerantly towards those who do?

I read neither slash nor het because I just don't care for shipping/pairing/that kind of stuff. I read gen only. (However, I'm kown to lean towards slash rather than het) But seriously, half of my flist loves Wincest, and slash, and RPS and I don't have a problem with it. Whatever tickles your fancy. Even RPS is okay if it's clear that the people you're writing about are fictional as in "we know the people aren't actually getting it on even if we'd like them to" :-)

Do you think that writing fanfic about something denotes what you truly wish to do in real life?
Going by my fanfic that would mean I'd love to be angsty and end up in hospital all the time :-p Nah.

At what point is too much too much regarding what you can get away with in fiction?
I think as soon as you portray rape as something positive, or molesting children...that's not ok. It's ok to write about it if the consequences are realistic but the "You rape me and for that I love you"-stuff is taking it too far for me...*is terribly uncool*

It's ok to write about it if the consequences are realistic but the "You rape me and for that I love you"-stuff is taking it too far for me.

I completely agree. It's very hard to skirt that kind of line, in my opinion, where one side is appropriate and the other is tasteless. And also, there is also the ever-present scale: on one hand, the author is trying to evoke some kind of important emotional response from the reader with a possible rape scene, but on the other, the author might just be hitting the audience ridiculously over the head with gratuitous violence. Is better or worse if the rape scene is the main hinge point of the entire story?

I'll shut up now. Anyway! Thanks for being so awesome, honey.

1. No. I believe that people are responsible for their own actions and they should be able to stay away from those fics. (I do believe they should be properly labeled though)

2. Of course.

3. Hell no.

4. I think that's probably too broad and that everyone has their own level of what is too much.

I read everything except daddy!cest but hell, I won't bite off the heads of the people that write them. I just...don't click. I think that chick needs to learn that trick. Anyways;

Do you believe wincest and/or slash should be relegated to a 'special' area on the web?
Um. No. This fandom is very great at labeling. If you're unable to stomach something, don't click the freaking link. Duh.
If you don't read slash - or even if you don't read gen - are you still willing to act tolerantly towards those who do?
Like I said, I stay away from daddy!cest but I can still be best friends with the person who writes such fics because them writing that doesn't mean they want to do it with their dads.
Do you think that writing fanfic about something denotes what you truly wish to do in real life?
See above. Also? I'm born and raised a Muslim. We're not big with premarital het sex let alone homosexuality and don't even get me started on incest. But the fact that I read and/or write these stuffs doesn't mean that I could see them being acted out in front of me and I would cheer them on. Or that I would like to act them out myself. They're called fictions for a purpose.
At what point is too much too much regarding what you can get away with in fiction?
What

raynedanser said. I don't really fancy BDSM and such and I don't read non-con. Basically? Anything painful. Haha. I'm a wuss.

♥

well, THAT was interesting. i was adamantly against wincest before, but then i tried a wincest story with a pg rating, and got lucky. i actually LIKED it (i believe it was "frost", by zionsstarfish) and then i read a few more, and aside from a couple that i didn't like, i've been pleasantly surprised (i do avoid the r and nc-17 ratings, and just stick with pg). in some specific scenarios, i can see sam/dean, but the story has to be well written.

the great thing about this fandom-- and the reason i'm in it, even as a fringe-er-- is that, as a whole, we're all very accepting of each other. the fans write what they want, and it's actually a great breeding ground for developing ideas for fics. there are fics i definitely won't read, like mpreg, non-con, underage sex, john/dean (!!!), and they can easily be avoided by READING the labels to the fics. the great thing about the spnnewsletter is that the mods won't post a story without a label, and bless their hearts for that.

as for fantasies, i think they are healthy. i fantasize a whole lot, and if people knew about them, they would definitely throw me into a sanitarium! ;)

Dude, she and theratwhispers are just crazycakes. I've said it before and I'll say it again.

C-R-A-Z-Y-C-A-K-E-S.

Hehehehehehe I LOVE a good argument!

And I just wanted to shout GO YOU GO when you started listing all her grammatical errors :0P Fantastic, honey!!

To be honest, in my opinion fanfic is pure escapism and that's its point. It exists to be whatever you want to make it into, doesn't it?

Wow. That person must have been tied up and forced to read Wincest or something. Like that time I was tied up and forced to read Snape/Harry... oh wait, that didn't happen because no one made me click it. *eyeroll*

Do you believe wincest and/or slash should be relegated to a 'special' area on the web?

Uh... no. That's what warnings are for. Don't wanna read Wincest? Don't click it. If you're extra-sensitive and get offended just by seeing the header, what the hell are you doing on the internet?

If you don't read slash - or even if you don't read gen - are you still willing to act tolerantly towards those who do?

I'm perfectly willing to act tolerantly towards those who read het and/or gen. :D I probably won't read any of their stuff, but as long as they act tolerantly towards me, I'll be happy to be friends with them.

Do you think that writing fanfic about something denotes what you truly wish to do in real life?

Uh... NO. It's a hobby.

At what point is too much too much regarding what you can get away with in fiction?

Child molestation. But apart from that... well, that's what warnings are for. Don't want to read non-con death!fic Weecest? Don't click it. GOD, IT'S SO SIMPLE.

I love how they want to essentially campaign and make a stand against slash. I smell a smackdown!

THREE BLOODY PARAGRAPHS! That's all she wrote, and she managed circa thirty errors! How is that even possible?! My soul actually hurts.

And you're completely right. It's not like we're all taking our stuff and putting it up on television or publishing it all over the place. The internets are for porn!

Okay. This is a comment totally unrelated to the actual post, but I just saw your 'and again' post with the 'first three prompts get ficcage'.
Well, hey, feel free to ignore me, but I have a prompt for you:
Basicallt the same as the one in the tiny 'two-midget' tent. EXCEPT. First time. Pent-up lust, that sort of thing. J2 or Sam & Dean, I really don't care. And it doesn't have to be a tent, just a small enclosed space of some sort.
It's probably far too presumptuous of me to request a fic, seeing as you don't know me at all, but if you feel like writing it...!
Oh, and:
1. No.
2. Yes. (Even though OMG I totally read slash.)
3. No.
4. Too much? Hah, you must be joking. However, I am mildly squicked by watersports. And that's really about it - I have no other squicks at all!

Well, I say you must fight the good fight, sista. Write more porn in protest. :0D

You are a very good, rational person, babe. At least you recognize the difference between reality and fiction! *gives you a bit huge smish*

*MARCHES*...*WITH BANNERS OF PORN*

It's a huge relief to hear so many people saying things like this about fandom. Really, it is easy to avoid things you don't want to read, just by looking at the warnings or pairing section.

*giant hug*

First, people are insane. If you are going to condemn something you better be above reproach yourself. She, by her own admission, is not.

As far as fic goes, I want my fic to be well labeled so I can avoid topics I don't like, but really write whatever you want; I have a firm grip on reality versus fantasy.

Also correcting her grammar was priceless.

*smooches* you make a good point, miss.

That chick was hilarious. But all those comments were just encouraging her. She deserves nothing but to be ignored. We all know what she was spouting was fake. *sighs*

1. No. Nothing else is regulated. The web is free to share and people know that. Half the time you have to hunt these things down (porn, wincest other xxx material). People should be responsible for their own actions. I say it all the time, if you don't like then don't read, period.

2. I believe in fandom. Not "het" or "gen" or "slash" or "porn" or whatever else you want to label it as. If a good author writes a STORY or a STORY is rec'd to me, whether is be "gen" or "slash" I will read it and most likely enjoy it. If people want to write gen, fine. I just hate when the "gen" writers get all up in arms about slash. A lot of "slash" writers read and write gen themselves, but I understand that it doesn't go both ways. I forgot the question, umm. Well yes, I am very tolerant. [Read as "perverted"].

3. NO! Of course not. That's the whole point of writing FICTION. You create and explore other worlds and push your characters and make them do things that YOU wouldn't normally do, it's fantasy!! Maybe you are exploring kinks or putting them in danger, it doesn't matter. Maybe you are just curious about where a story could go or you are curious to other people's response. I know plenty of people who have to "research" for their fics because what they write about they have never done or wish to do. I just...FICTION. That's warning enough.
I just love how people are all, "Sam/Dean stories! INCEST IS WRONG!" Hello, guys, the show is a out GHOSTS and devils and black magic and pagan GODS!! Do you have a problem with that also? That old, "I'm a Christian excuse"...the Bible is about love and tolerance and understanding.

4. I don't think there is a point. NO LINES. Ahem. I came from a very violent fandom, where rape and torture and non con were the norm *cough cucumber cough* so I can read almost anything. Stories about harming babies or bestality squick me, so I stay away from them. The incest never bothered me in this fandom because it's a show on TV!! NEWSFLASH: They aren't really brothers!!
I have a massive daddy!kink, so I will read that when I know a lot of others wouldn't.
This fandom is more kink orientated than my last one. Other than the rape, the sex was pretty vanillia. I really enjoy that about SPN, all the bondage and stuff. Mmmm.
I guess you can't start drawing lines in fandom, what appeals to one person would squick another. We are so diverse and we should celebrate that. We all just need to respect one another and get along.

In conclusion:
I love dad's rapping their kids, yeah, that's completely normal and totally my point, thanks.

> :O

*points and flails* your icon is the best ever! ever ever ever!

people...are interesting o_O

*gives you cuddles and cake* hope you had a wonderful holiday, gorgeous

*laughs at your icon*

As for the rest: o.0 People are crazy!

#1: No!
#2: Yes!
#3: No! Big no, because otherwise ewwww!
#4: Well regardless of what squicks me and what not, it should always be portrayed (I just typed porntrayed) *facepalm* tastefuly. :D

Now go and write some more porn!!!

so true, but there will always be party poopers in fandom. ;)

*hugs back*

*smooches back* Thanks darlin.

(ps - she's changed it so comments are now screened. heh)

I can still be best friends with the person who writes such fics because them writing that doesn't mean they want to do it with their dads.

I love you. I find the timing of this ironic since I just went through this personally with someone I have known for years. Apparently by admitting I read brothercest (I do in a couple of other fandoms as well), I condone what was done to her 30 years ago by her grandfather. (way to still be the victim, apparently she'd forgotten I've been. . . anyway)

But yes, I agree.

*smishes you right back*

I think this problem rises because incest has always been linked to non-con (at least in the community I live in) and perhaps some people just couldn't separate them both. I can't accept non-con myself but yes, I read and write Wincest. That doesn't necessarily mean I condone the acts of fraternal incest or even homosexuality in reality. That's when the realization that there is a difference between fiction and reality comes in. I'm sorry about what happened to your friend. I couldn't possibly imagine how hard it must've been to be in her shoes. And I hope you could work things out with her.

Best wishes. :)

I think this problem rises because incest has always been linked to non-con

That's entirely possible. I don't do non-con either, and usually not even dubious.

And I'm certainly not trying to make light of what happened to her, but clearly the line between fan-fiction and reality has gotten smudgey for her. Maybe someday she'll see that she should know me better than that and we can try to talk, but right now I'm not sure she'd do anything except delete emails from me.

*bows* hahaha, thank you. bad grammar makes my heart shred itself in two. i think i'm just gonna leave the rest of this post alone, because it's already enough of a deal - what with being on F_W, and just not worth it.

i really hope this doesn't turn into a big thing for the rest of fandom, though. i doubt it will, seeing as she's attacking EVERYTHING and most people will certainly want to band against that. but. well. sigh.

HAHAH you can totally yoink if you want - it's mine so it's free! i love engrish.com, man.

PORN!! *throws scarf over shoulder and sets off!*

that's it. deen doesn't get you anymore. meet me behind the tapestry in five, i'll make you scream.

It was the daddy kink that sold you, wasn't it?

Or my love of dad's "rapping" their kids. Hmmm, well the last time I checked there was nothing wrong with a bit of RAP. Heh. *typoz can diez plz*

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